Difference in tonnage 1852) and Susannah Haryott (b. Stick to the path. It must be pointed out that only the hull of Titanic was launched with a basic superstructure. (This is something I have noticed. Of course there is no testimony from Ballard himself, or from any of the other expeditions who would clearly have also seen this. Firstly, it is true that the Carpathia had a capacity of more than what the Titanic was carrying - the Carpathia was certified for more than 2800. This was because Olympic's patched-up hull could not take any long periods of high speed. Bulkhead put on Olympic found in stern wreck The vessel which sailed out of Southampton on 10 April 1912 can only have been a 45,000 ton ship with the last minute addition of 1,000 tons of GRT in her B Deck public rooms and enclosed area on A Deck. Even if the insurance would not pay out the $750,000, IMM We asked them the height of the berg and some said one hundred feet, others, sixty feet; one of the onlookers a motor engineer travelling to America with a model Firstly it must be pointed out that Titanic was technically not going "full steam" at the time of the collision. Mount Temple (50 miles) Canadian Pacific Steamship Company cargo ship, Westbound, London to St. John's, Newfoundland He holds an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering with honors from The University of Iowa and completed medical school at The University of . Firstly, the coal strike actually finished 9 days earlier on April 6, so normal traffic would have soon resumed. by passengers and crew familiar with the Olympic? Not to mention, Titanic was part of what was intended to be an "Olympic Class" trio of ships on the transatlantic service. Of course there is none. Has Cameron in fact admitted that Titanic is actually Olympic? However, as discussed in point 36 (below), almost certainly James Fenton was not aboard Titanic as he claimed. 10. All other portholes on this part of the ship remained as they appeared at the time of her launch. 1,496 people are believed to have died when the Titanic went down. And considering they were presumably expecting a sinking according to this theory does not account for Lord's inaction. Additionally, especially as the ship was being labelled "practically unsinkable" how would they explain this 'mysterious' flooding to the inquiries that would no doubt take place afterward? After studying at the Chorister School in Durham, where he performed with the cathedrals renowned choir, he attended the Repton School and the British Institute of Florence. They would not be interested in the transatlantic route as it would mean not returning to Belfast or Southampton for several weeks. Hall and Beveridge note in regard to this photograph that although "the overlapped doubler is hidden behind the stowed anchor, 9 and was ordered by 1st Officer Murdoch down to A Deck where he helped with the loading of lifeboat No. Could it be It was our intention if we had fine weather on Monday afternoon or Tuesday to It was longer as it had to cover up the word Olympic that occupied more space. Some drowned, some were probably killed below decks and there is speculation that an officer may have committed suicide. She worked up to 80. It is quite possible that those who "remember" Ballard giving a presentation in which he said he saw evidence it was the Olypmic are actually just remembering the documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" which contained fake imagery falsely purported to be evidence of a switch filmed by Ballard. 30. 42. Claim: The ship was going full steam, but was achieving only 21 knots, rather than its theoretical maximum of 23, despite the Atlantic being exceptionally calm on the night of the sinking. For a company that has miraculously been able to switch ships including hundreds of thousands of numbers on the back of wooden panels, without anyone knowing, this seems a rather farfetched and unlikely plan. 49. Captain Smith and Olympic's senior officers stand in the bridge area with the curved wheelhouse clearly behind them, left of picture. Any discolouration could be explained as due to lighting conditions and/or photographic imperfections. Interestingly, Gardiner himself has admitted the image is fake. It must be added that in 1912 it was not usual to have inaccurate artist's impressions and wrongly captioned photographs. In fact, the area of the wreck highlighted in this so-called 'evidence' has peeled away from the side of the stern so was most likely further forward on the hull than presently seen. Ever since "Titanic" came out 25 years ago, a debate has arisen about a pivotal scene toward the end that has become almost as iconic as the film itself. He always maintained that the iceberg alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. Captain Smith was photographed by a newspaper photographer on the bridge of the Titanic. The answer to this is very simple: The name during her building and her sailing are in partly different positions because in the first construction image it was written over on the negative. During this process workers allegedly discovered the name Olympic 'carved into the gunwhales,' as 'the old name had been filled with putty and painted over.' Captain Smith was also, like the Captain on the Californian, they claim, also sleeping fully clothed in the chart room. 3 additional double-ended boilers were lit up about 8 a.m. (although they take 12 hours before they are put online) and he was sure that the ships five auxiliary The documentary itself, although spending the first 40 minutes promoting the 'switch' conspiracy, actually ends up concluding in the final five minutes that it did not happen. The closest we have is when he is questioned about the binoculars and is asked: 19342. In fact both Olympic and Titanic were launched with 14 portholes on the port side forecastle on C-Deck and 15 portholes on the starboard side of the same area. James Fenton on how variation in a line presents the poet with many challenges. The source of this erroneous claim is here. To prove this claim seemingly confuses the two in name. that the carpet was to hide "12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface"? But also it must be noted that there were tours of This is not heard in the documentary and so Steve Hall is mis-quoted as if he is summarising the entire 'switch' situation, when his comment was actually directly in relation to the wreck - not the theory in its entirety. In 33 von 66 Fllen wurde der Preistrger spter mit einem Oscar ausgezeichnet, zuletzt 2022 geschehen, mit der Preisvergabe . Olympic officers on the bridge Hence it is Olympic, not Titanic. As Titanic had a private promenade behind it the fireplace was moved to the "forward" wall this can be also seen on photographs taken by the press on board Titanic on April 10th 1912 a few hours before her departure and also today in the wreck.". ', When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean. the newspaper Northern Star that was published on the 31 July 1996. These differences meant that Titanic had a slightly higher gross tonnage than her older sister. First and foremost there is no documented evidence to verify it. Lack of documentation - there is a noticeable lack of specific documentation or references to prove this claim. the evidence that the number 400 (Olympic's number) is all over Olympic's woodwork (see more information on this here). Two major watertight compartments were flooded, her hull plating was gashed, the starboard propeller shafting damaged. The Abyss un film del 1989 scritto e diretto da James Cameron, e interpretato da Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio e Michael Biehn.. La sua realizzazione fu estremamente travagliata e si protrasse per circa due anni ad un costo mai confermato ufficialmente ma stimato in 69,5 milioni di dollari. (for more information see here). such as Titanic's A Deck promenade which was enclosed by a steel screen with sliding windows, to provide additional shelter, and the promenades on Titanic's B Deck which were reduced in size, and the space used for additional cabins and public rooms, including two luxury suites with private promenades. [American Inquiry, Day 7] There is no mention that he jumped in from B Deck. There are two key issues with this story. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. the Hawke collision that would supposedly justify a 'switch' scenario. 41. name on it. There is of course some mystery over what really happened to Titanic's lifeboats after the disaster. This photograph of Titanic leaving Belfast on her way to begin sea trials allegedly reveals discoloured plating in the same location where Olympic had damage after its collision with HMS Hawke. As far as I am In fact it had a "double-bottom" since shipbuilders at the time considered a full double hull an unnecessary expense, being satisfied with a double bottom instead. Ballard has nothing to gain from keeping it a secret - it would be huge publicity for him. Corrections? 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. Birma (70 miles) Russian East Asiatic Company Eastbound, New York-Rotterdam-Libau It is obvious that a rather large dose of imagination has been used to see the alleged 'damage'. Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. and this slipped to $4,509,270 in 1911. And that was a very surreal kind of image for me too to see these little white crabs crawling around in the fireplace of the room that was commissioned for J.P.Morgan. And if these researchers and historians are supposedly "in" on the conspiracy then why would they release this image at all and risk the 'truth' being known? So higher or sealed bulkheads would not necessarily have prevented Titanic from sinking, "Olympic Class" referred to a set of three ships: Olympic, Titanic and Britannic. week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. Winning the prestigious Newdigate Prize at Oxford for his poem Our Western Furniture, Fenton seemed destined for poetic fame. 28. Claim: Historians have always mused that it was rather strange that Titanic was never shown the enormous publicity that Olympic received the year before. Claim: When you look at anything to do with advertising for the Titanic and White Star Line, the ship that was always used was Olympic and its interior every time they needed pictures. performance on her maiden voyage, and as the speed increased, Titanic was well placed to exceed her sisters average speed.". So that makes it 3 vessels in the area. The Hawke impacted the Olympic in the stern area. Check this comparison: Comparison of where the actual damage to the Olympic was, and where the meme says it is on the Titanic wreck. Was this to hide 12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface? the boats were returned to England and reused, however boat no.12, considered an unlucky thirteenth (presumably the thirteenth lifeboat recovered by the Carpathia and so deemed unlucky ), was not reused until after the First World War when the boat was handed over to the Sea Scouts as a thank you (some Sea Scouts having joined the Navy during the war and lost their lives). He has worked as political journalist, drama critic, book reviewer, war correspondent, foreign correspondent and columnist. Titanic did not strike an iceberg While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Additionally, they were not "in the middle of a coal strike". Chirnside and Halpern conclude: "There is no doubt that Titanics speed was increased steadily throughout her maiden voyage, revolutions were increased, boilers brought online, and preparations However it must be pointed out that even battleships with sealed bulkheads will still sink, as they can roll over. Claim: The Californian had a cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets, as if they were ready for a rescue mission. Damage to the Olympic due to its collision with HMS Hawke. Claim: A large proportion of the engine crew signed off just prior to the ill fated voyage starting from Southampton, during a coal shortage which meant that many sailors were out of work due to their ships being laid up. These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the length of Titanic name's hinting at a cover-up. She had a total capacity of 47 passengers and 55 crew members. previous 1 2 3 next sort by previous 1 2 3 next * Note: these are all the books on Goodreads for this author. 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. The wind blows through his silver hair. 401: Titanic's propeller is on Olympic Veined marble is a naturally occurring metamorphic crystalline limestone and, like snowflakes and finger prints, no two pieces are the same. Displacement tonnage is the actual weight of a ship (about 52,000 tons for Titanic). But also there would be no need to. But please read this information first, where it clearly shows that Lloyds records do not agree with this at all. Take the dining saloon. did not do serious damage but when the cold water hit the coal fire, it The Titanic's design used some of the most advanced technology available at the time and the ship was popularly believed to be . the Olympic. 8. This is consistent with the damage previously sustained by Olympic. James Fenton, in full James Martin Fenton, (born April 25, 1949, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England), English poet and journalist who was remarked upon for his facility with a wide variety of verse styles and for the liberal political views threading his oeuvre. Secondly, it is true that the outline of each letter was incised into the hull, and then painted in with a golden/yellow shade. Firstly, it must be considered that these images were first released in 2012 and have been examined in minute detail by hundreds if not thousands of researchers and historians since then, so why has it taken 7 years for this to have been spotted, if it is indeed unusual? Though most of his work was ultimately discarded, Fenton was nonetheless contracted to receive somewhat less than 1 percent of royalties, which, because of the overwhelming international success of the musical, amounted to a substantial sum that made him independently wealthy. the committee, announcing that he will be in Venice on April 23 for the inauguration of the biennial International Art Exhibition, April 25, and dedicate the new Campanile of St. Claim: Dr Robert Ballard has admitted that when he discovered the wreck of the Titanic he found evidence it was actually the Olympic. For those who have read this website, they will realise that there is certainly no evidence of a 'switch', all the claims have been exposed to reveal nothing but misinformation or fiction and most importantly that there is conclusive evidence to prove that it is Titanic that sank. damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. Refer to the images below. Even more conclusively, a New York Times newspaper article of Thursday 28th March 1912 reveals that in March "J. Pierpont Morgan has written a cordial letter to This is one of several undocumented, unreferenced claims. off the bell. Claim: Numerous ships were stationed nearby, despite a coal strike, to take off the passengers, which is why the shortage of lifeboats would not matter. Importantly it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. Without further information or documentation on this "private flat in the Wirral" -even a photograph - (Click to enlarge). Cross-checking with Encyclopedia Titanica website, which has extensive passenger and crew lists, the number of crew aboard the Carpathia exceeded 300 (it lists 307, but it is not necessarily a complete list). Well it first must be noted that compared to the Titanic researcher and wreck explorer Parks Stephenson, who most recently was involved in photographing the Titanic wreck in 2019, simply replied: "People will see what they want" (26/09/2019) and posted this image: Claim: The starboard B-deck windows on the wreck are narrow, which matches the Olympic, not the Titanic. The claim does not align with Ballard's writing on the matter. If he had indeed mentioned it at a presentation why did it not become substantial news at the time? Thirdly, in a picture of Olympic, taken during her 1912/13 refit following the Titanic disaster, this allegedly shows this vessel not to have the 'tell-tale plating' joint, which to 'switch' proponents proves 'conclusively' that the hull pictured is that of Titanic although the name Olympic is clearly visible on both sides of the bow. This is a classic example of a 'meme' using demonstrably false information or incorrect images to promote the 'switch' theory, as it can be very easily disproved when looking at documented photographs. And any allegation to the contrary - of an increase - needs evidence, for which at present there is nothing but unverified speculation. Carpathia was the planned rescue ship Even if that simple fact is not enough, the other alleged details regarding the Californian are being misrepresented. As in the previous points, we know that damage to the Olympic did not include a 'warped keel'. And all of this without even mentioning that the Carpathia was owned by Cunard, the White Star Line's key rival on the transatlantic service. Above left: Olympic taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, allegedly shows her to have had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe. This is because, of course, as an insurance scam everything was a set up and rescue ships were in the area waiting for the sinking. But they were cut short for several good reasons. The production, which transplanted the story to the Mafia underworld of 1950s New York City, was a success, and it caught the eye of theatre producer Cameron Mackintosh, who asked him to translate the French musical Les Misrables, based on the book by Victor Hugo. Did J. P. Morgan and J. Firstly, how would White Star believe they could pull something like this off when no doubt hundreds of crew would see water pouring into the ship through the seacocks? Get a Britannica Premium subscription and gain access to exclusive content. There is no record of anyone doing so. Early on, she was broadly running level with Olympics Was the confusion because they had been switched? You can also purchase an audio CD of Fenton reading 18 of his best poems (12.99) The reality is that the Californian's cargo manifest does not exist. Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above, 31. They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston It is true that James Cameron sent a robot into the sitting room of what is called the Millionaire's Suite or Promenade Suite during his 1995 dive. B-deck window spacing on the wreck James Fenton, in full James Martin Fenton, (born April 25, 1949, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England), English poet and journalist who was remarked upon for his facility with a wide variety of verse styles and for the liberal political views threading his oeuvre. As if somehow to counteract this fact, it has then been alleged that 'Titanic's insurance was increased by J. P. Morgan from $5 million to $12.5 million 5 days before her fateful journey'. 3rd-class: 2,250. In 1967 he enrolled at Magdalen College, Oxford, initially intending to study English but later switching to psychology, philosophy, and physiology. The above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in portholes. They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou explains this particular claim: According to the book "The Ship That Never Sank" (pages 134-135) B Deck had no cabins extending to the hull as boats were visible. is unfair and disingenuous at best. The lifeboat was wrecked in a collision with the Gosport Ferry at Portsmouth and taken by the Royal Navy to Haslar for demolition. The most telling aspect of this either unintentional -or possibly intentional- forgery, is the desperate need to do it. Claim: Olympic's trials in 1910 took two days, including several high-speed runs, but Titanic's trials reportedly only lasted for one day, with allegedly none over half-speed. They were metal plates which were screwed on. Claim: Olympic had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe, while Titanic during her construction did not. For sure bunker "W" was emptied as this is mentioned by survivors. Although Fenton is absent from all the available crew lists, it doesn't immediately negate his story - the lists are not infallible, and we all saw how Leonardo Di- er, Jack Dawson blagged his . Firstly because a collision resulting in water overflowing the top of a bulkhead was considered very unlikely. We need to know which accounts precisely are being referred to here. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg, 26. Olympic's wheelhouse was not curved (This was mentioned in Dan van der Vat and Robin Gardiners 1995 book, The Riddle of the Titanic, page 21.) Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. keeping quiet all those years had taken a great toll on his health and the sanity Against the forward steel wall, the faux marble fireplace with its bronze details seems in perfect condition." Claim: An old sailor of the Titanic, Paddy the pig, revealed shortly before his death that the Titanic was switched with its sistership, the Olympic. Californian was not expecting rockets, but a rendezvous 40. Passengers said there were promenades instead of cabins, 32. However it seems that conspiracy theorists make a deliberate mathematical error, and then label it 'conclusive evidence'. 11 [American Inquiry, Day 7]. By the time Titanic's maiden voyage came along Olympic had been operating for a year. Claim: J. Regardless, the key issue with this claim - like so many - is that there is no verifiable record of this - no exact quotation, date, location, photograph or even independent testimony of the account. Even sailing at top speed through dangerous waters it arrived several hours after the sinking. The fact that Titanic left Belfast and then Southampton in something of a hurry, with none of the fanfare of the Olympic, just one day of sea trials, no stop in Liverpool, and no opening to the public in either Belfast or Southampton, should not come as surprise at all. A post disaster image of Olympic shows the plating joint has disappeared, revealing she is in fact Titanic. The Olympic and the Britannic were also consistent on the starboard side, with 15 portholes. and loss account for the year to December 31 st 1911 was in surplus by 1,102,756 And that there were not binoculars on the Titanic? 4. Further volumes of poetry included Out of Danger (1994), which won the Whitbread Book Award (now the Costa Book Award); Selected Poems (2006), a Penguin anthology of his work; and Yellow Tulips: Poems 19682011 (2012), an even broader survey containing previously uncollected verse. 1)The well known (to some of you) James A Fenton, alias "Paddy the Pig", who in the early 1970s, hinted how the loss of the Titanic was not entirely accidental. The Olympic didn't even have a carpet, but the Titanic -- ah, you sank in it up to your knees. Claim: Panelling from third class areas of the ship now adorn a private flat in the Wirral. This claim is often accompanied with some unverified private anecdote of having met Ballard or seeing a presentation given by him shortly after the discovery of the Titanic in the 1980s. Firstly, Ismay's wife and children did not cancel at the last moment. Titanic sailor's deathbed confession of 'switch' carburetter (he had filled in his declaration 3. Another set of poems was published by Fullers press as the broadsheet Put Thou Thy Tears into My Bottle (1969). ", Claim: Author of two books exposing the theory, Steve Hall, has actually admitted on camera: "I would have to say the question remains open. James Fenton | Poetry Foundation Second Class also had an open promenade on the aft end of the Boat Deck, and enclosed ones on B Deck and C Decks. Morgan also had several valuable bronze statues removed from the ship just one hour before she sailed! The ship being ready to steam was simply because they were trapped by ice and at the earliest time possible would want to continue their journey. 19345. the game. What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. boilers were on. It must also be noted that many of Olympic's westbound crossings had an average speed of 21 and a half. Claim: The forged "Titanic" letters have rusted off and reveal a "MP" - part of the word Olympic that was actually engraved or embossed into the original metal panel of the ship. Titanic 's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing 2. The number 401 on Olympic woodwork Why only them? 3. as already discussed here the Olympic's damage from HMS Hawke did not exceed $125,000, and there is independent verification of this fact. 45,000) in the last eight years. 5. However there is absolutely no evidence Olympic or Titanic ever had their names "riveted on". Omissions? Mr Harold Arthur Sanderson, Director of the Oceanic Steam Navigation Company (not from Harland and Wolff as claimed), Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. something else, in this case an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. Names riveted on, not welded In fact the outlines of the letters are visible in part on the wreck, and the surviving White Star passenger tender Nomadic, built at the same time as Olympic and Titanic, shows exactly the same process. Mark Chirnside reports the following: "The companys surplus on the profit Passengers said there were promenades instead of cabins Presenter Danny Wallace says: "This is a cracking conspiracy theory and all too tempting to believe were it not for the mass of evidence against it so it seems Titanic and Olympic never were switched, there never was an insurance scam." Difference in Titanic's windows on B deck So it is hardly likely crew would be forced to use it for the Titanic disaster. 3. The origin of this seems to have come from Paddy the pig, also known as James Fenton, who later in life related the following: When the 1. 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. Claim: Olympic could Quite simply, Titanic had 14 portholes on the port side C deck (bow) when launched, but in the following months she received 2 extra for better light and air. Incidentally, although called 'Old Reliable' her 24 years Linoleum flooring covered with carpets, 34. Once it was launched then it was 'fitted out' i.e. Excerpt from the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground" when director James Cameron explores B-52 during his 1995 dive. Claim: The stern section of the wreck has a longitudinal bulkhead, that looks like a temporary repair had been made to strengthen the keel, exactly what had happened to RMS Olympic. But to claim this was "done deliberately to help with a switch" is misleading to say the least - and such a ploy would be mostly ineffective on people in 1912 who were largely unconcerned with such technical inaccuracy in promotional material. And there is evidence of 'white' paint on the hull of the wreck. then they absolutely need more than this very doubtful photograph to prove that Olympic's "doubler" is not overlapping and hence it is actually Titanic. (Click image to enlarge). and was the first national strike by coal miners in Britain, with the main goal securing a minimum wage. And as Titanic author Bruce Beveridge points out, the very reason it has a specific build number on it was due to the fact that the propellers were not interchangeable, due to the specific pitch of the blades designed for each ship. Again no mention here that lifeboats were seen from B Deck. In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. Paddy said that the guilt of Specifically, her passenger (excluding crew) capacity was listed as 2,550: 1st-class: 100 Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic 5. So conclusively, with no 'expert' opinion required, the Olympic's damage does not match this so called 'proof.' Lack of publicity for Titanic He was the son of William Francis Butler (b. 1853). And there is overwhelming evidence presented on the previous page they were not switched. Titanic's sea trials were shorter than Olympic's It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. Claims for this range from "two of the firemen, boiler stokers and greasers" to "a large proportion of the engine crew" to the specific number of 173 who 'preferred to wait for employment on another ship.' Take a look at the two photographs and compare for yourself. James Fenton (b. and would never get a job when they got out. There are some who acknowledge that Gardiner and others have no evidence of insurance fraud, admitting that Titanic was indeed under-insured, and that the theory that the White Star planned to scuttle the ship in a pre-arranged mid-Atlantic collision is simply untenable. Claim: Since an iceberg could not inflict such damage on a steel double-hulled vessel such as the Titanic, it must have hit Mark's." When or where did he ever say he discovered this? The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Fenton, The Poetry Archive - Biography of James Fenton, Poetry Foundation - Biography of James Fenton. Californian was carrying woolly jumpers and blankets There he won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry, a contest wherein students wrote poetry on a set topic, in this case the opening of trade and diplomatic relations between Japan and the United States in 185354. Secondly, the angle and lighting conditions are very different from the other images, so it is not a fair comparison. All the Wrong Places: Adrift in the Politics of the Pacific Rim (1988) was an account of his journalistic experiences. I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. Certainly not enough to justify eyewitness reports of the quantity of ice on the deck. April 14, 1930 - April 12, 2021 IN THE CARE OF Victory Memorial Park Funeral Centre It is with wonderful memories of a life well lived that we announce the peaceful passing of James "Jim", "Jimmie", "Paka" Fenton, on April 12, 2021 at the age of 90. Olympic's wheelhouse in 1912 was curved at the front (left diagram) while Titanic's was straight. 19344. 3. The THIS IS PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. The reality is that Olympic and Titanic had differently pitched propeller blades so they would not have worked to their full potential had the blades been swapped from one ship to the other. We also know that a crew member took First officer Murdoch's wife Ada on a tour of the ship, when she visited. It seems those intent on proving a 'switch' have mistaken the missing bridge enclosure, the rectangular gap in the forward bulwark (painted white) for the wheelhouse. old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the Claim: Also, at Titanic's launch, all of the windows on B-deck were evenly spaced out, yet on her maiden voyage they were seen as being unevenly spaced, just as Olympic's were. As will be discussed here, those that are not inaccurate, ill-researched, dubious or simply fabricated actually have very simple and logical explanations: 1. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg It is true that a list to port was observed by passengers Lawrence Beesley (in The Loss of the S.S.Titanic) and Norman Chambers (US Inquiry). And the answer is the same. Damage from Olympic 's collision with Hawke was more significant 3. It is clearly in a different area. It is true that Titanic's sea trials were half that of Olympic's. showing through, but which under the harsh lighting conditions looks more white than grey. There are other photographs of Titanic with similar liberties such as the shot of her in Cherbourg at night which has been heavily doctored to look as if it was taken at night with her lights blazing. After this documentary went to air Steve Hall co-authored a new book Titanic or Olympic: Which Ship Sank? The proceeds financed his journey that year to Cambodia, where he reported on the Khmer Rouge, and then to Vietnam, where he witnessed the fall of Saigon (now Ho Chi Minh City) in April 1975. 7. However, it is definitely not logical. furniture and panelling was better that the Olympic is not accurate; furnishings and paneling aboard Titanic were, with the exception of unique rooms such as the Where is the photograph? 45. It mentions "Paddy the Pig" aka James Fenton. However, in December 1911, during Titanic's fit out, she had 2 added to light the crews galley and wash room which resulted in a total of 16 as seen in the maiden voyage photographs. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship 4. Claim: Patchwork and braces from repair work due to damaged caused by the Hawke collision with the Olympic found in Titanic's stern wreck photographs. 3. As to Gardiner's claim that ''Titanic -actually the Olympic - never travelled faster than one-half her designed top speed, as her damaged hull was too weak to endure the stresses of a prolonged high-speed run', there is absolutely no documented evidence to support this. there are many passenger accounts of large quantities of ice, more than what could be explained by what would fall from rigging onto the deck, such as the following: - Able Bodied Seamen William Lucas saw "about a couple of tonsOn the fore-well on the starboard side." Importantly, So in fact rather than proving a 'switch,' exploration of this suite only confirms that it is indeed Titanic that sank. 5. If 'switch' conspiracy theorists believe this is the smoking gun of a switch Claim: All that needs to be done to switch the ships is exchange those parts of the ships which bore the vessels names such as name plates, the ships bell, menus and note paper letterheads, the names on the life belts and life boats, also any plaques and brass fittings with the liners name on and any interior signing bearing the name Olympic or Titanic. The Olympic, like the Titanic, was fitted originally with the same 14-porthole arrangement on the port side of her focsle, but 2 additional portholes were later fitted; they were there in March 1912. (Click image to enlarge). 32. If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. Actual video footage of Titanic's name clearly visible on the wreck in 1987. Refer to this previous point here for more information on the name Titanic on the wreck. 11. 2)J.P. Morgan had the power to influence governments, not least the British Government due to aid in the Crimean War. The ship had never been at In fact all ships of the Olympic Class (i.e. Compare the two videos below -one is the real footage of the Titanic name on the wreck, one is fake. exploded and caused the fatal damage. The long list of differences is discussed on the previous page here. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic It is very plausible that the 1,000 pounds[sic] of tonnage was added to the Olympic in order to meet the weight [sic] of the Titanic. However the way in which it is painted to look part of a conspiracy theory 27. This is one of the most popular pieces of 'evidence' of a switch but also the easiest to disprove. Claim: Titanic's lifeboats had small brass I.D plaques screwed on them and they all said "RMS Olympic". There seems absolutely no reason to find any conspiracy here - the difference in gross tonnage is historical, mathematical and logical. Claim: The ice on the deck of the Titanic is explained by Gardiner as ice from the rigging of both the Titanic and the mystery ship she hit. This is where Gardiner's theory starts to get even more bizarre. It is true that Titanic's bulkheads did not extend to the 'top' and were also not 'sealed' at the top, for a number of reasons. Difference in tonnage 7. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position Parisian (50 miles) Allan Line, Liverpool, England, Westbound, Glasgow - Halifax - Boston I can see no credible evidence of discolouration that would be proof positive of repair work, especially in the specific location where the Hawke penetrated Olympic's hull. A statement supported by the attraction of more than 4,000 jobs and $1.4 B in Cap Ex. Titanic was sailing a popular North Atlantic route, known to be busy at that time of year. They were mostly Belfast men - i.e. not go to sea as Titanic with Olympic written on the bells. Claim: While the wheelhouse of the Olympic was allegedly constructed in a bow fronted fashion, a photograph taken from the top of the huge steel gantry appears to show a straight fronted wheelhouse, exactly as it appeared on earlier drawings of the ship. 'The Olympic Room' 8. performance, only two miles shy of Olympics best ever maiden voyage daily run, and she did that with only 21 the cast iron fireplace with its veined marble surround to still be in place. 24. In this photograph we see Captain Smith and First officer Murdoch on Olympic's bridge and clearly see a curved wheelhouse behind them. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one their attention to it, and they all watched it disappear, but had then at once resumed It clearly occurred in a different part of the ship than where the Titanic split. 25. It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. - Oh, I beg your pardon, yes. 26. The "Titanic" is a ship that sunk by hitting an iceberg in 1912, that was previously considered unsinkable ("Titanic"). As it was named the "Olympic Class" it would hence not be unusual to feature the first ship in any advertising. The bulkheads were not actually sealed at the top, this oversight allowed water to flow over, filling each compartment, one at a time. Secondly, there was a rush to get the ship to Southampton to begin provisioning for the maiden voyage. Secondly, there are many eyewitness accounts and descriptions of an iceberg. Captain Smith on Titanic The story goes that after the sinking thirteen lifeboats were recovered, taken to New York, where the name Titanic was sanded off and numbers removed to deter souvenir hunters. But there is a very simple and logical reason that does not necessitate a conspiracy. would have remained in surplus. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch 6. But this is not due to it being the Olympic. Claim: Titanic had 14 bow portholes. Leading Fireman Frederick Barrett testified before the British Wreck Commission that on the day of the collision The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. 4. There are a couple of important points to first realise. The stern wreck image is in fact compiled from thousands of high-resolution images shot during a multi-million dollar, two-month expedition that took place in August and September 2010. principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit 12 said that the Frenchman jumped in before the boat was lowered, indicating that he did jump from the boat deck into the boat. After the Titanic disaster this all changed. Far from the wisdom of the brain. (Click to enlarge). Also a sealed design would have restricted access to certain parts of the ship 21. by Burgess alone, with no collaboration from other eyewitnesses. Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant This line of reasoning goes with the assumption that Olympic's keel was damaged, for which there is no evidence as discussed in the point above. Photographs taken of Titanic leaving Southampton also reveal a slight port list. There is no evidence the insurance was increased - let alone by more than double its value, which would immediately raise suspicion. We know that Titanic had spare propellers made (as after the disaster they were used for memorials) so it would not be unreasonable to expect Olympic was the same. TITANIC SAILOR'S DEATHBED CONFESSION OF 'SWITCH' In 1912 Paddy claimed that he was a 22-year- old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. They also question why on the night of the collision the captain of the Californian decided to sleep fully clothed on a five and a half foot couch in the chart room and ordered that her boilers be kept fired up and the engines on standby. These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the windows on B-deck -which should not be surprising as two private verandahs and suites were added to this section of the ship after its launch. was 60 years old at the time of the sinking, and was examined on Day 17 of the British Wreck Commissioner's Inquiry. How could -and why would- a competitor become implicated in a massive and highly complex 'switch' theory, notably without a scrap of evidence to show for it? For example there are several photographs taken by newspapers aboard Titanic prior to its departure. Edith Rosenbaum, George Rhiems, Albert Dick and Vera Dick and William Sloper. - Yes. First and foremost we must address the fact that 'tonnage' mentioned here does not refer to a ship's "weight". His father, a hotel proprietor and licensed victualler, was also born in Portsmouth whilst his mother was a native of Alfriston, Sussex. If they were interchangeable why would there be a number on it? Claim: The unsinkable ship somehow had to become sinkablevery sinkable. Compare it with the damage photograph below. Known for his erudite, politically engaged and technically masterful poems, Fenton's early engagement with Auden left a marked influence on the younger poet's verse. If indeed Titanic had been insured at the last minute at "$12.5 million," as is alleged by conspiracy theorists, would this not have raised serious alarm bells in the minds of the insurers at the time, especially if it was part of the public record that the value was "$7.5million"? 43. Where rust and marine life have flaked the top layers of paint from the hull of the wreck discovered by Dr Ballard patches of what appear to be white paint are exposed. full speed. The photograph used to support this allegation, "taken from the top of the huge steel gantry" is of the launch of Olympic's hull (painted white) on October 10, 1910 in Belfast, Ireland: It allegedly shows a flat wheelhouse, however on closer inspection no wheelhouse can be seen. I do not have enough concrete information to say the ship at the bottom of the Atlantic is the Titanic.". Author Steve Hall admits it could be the, 48. It makes complete sense that the local Belfast runners did not sign up for a transatlantic maiden voyage that they were not experienced or interested in doing (losing all the local jobs they were used to) when local Southampton crew were used to such "long-haul" trips. Irish. Incidentally, Titanic's name was first filmed in 1987 by IFREMER and Titanic Ventures (later RMS TITANIC INC.) after they cleaned that part of the bow from rust. It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. But for arguments sake let's take the larger of the two - the certified capacity number of both passengers and crew. 5 on starboard. This woodwork has the reverse sides clearly marked. In the documentary James Cameron explains: These rooms, they were called the Millionaire's Suites, we went into the one that was reserved for J.P. Morgan. While there were costs involved in repairing the damage in the Olympic/Hawke collision, and that the Olympic was out of service meant lost revenue, the fact is that as a business the White Star Line was not going bankrupt and there simply was no need for a 'switch'. This was standard White Star Line practice. And, there is no evidence that I am aware of that points to the damage being more serious than was admitted Gardiners speculation notwithstanding. 100 cubic feet equals 1 "ton" of internal volume. Captain Smith posing for one of Southampton's local newspapers shortly before Titanic's sailing day. Dr. Fenton is in the Division of Pulmonary, Critical Care and Sleep Medicine. It must be pointed out that after the Titanic disaster, Olympic's wheelhouse was changed to a rectangular configuration, one of many improvements made during the 1912/13 refit. This is the wreck montage here: PHOTOGRAPH 2012 RMS TITANIC, INC. 2. Obviously realising that planning a collision in the North Atlantic would be 22. Now, almost thirty years later, the director has one major regret regarding his depiction of a significant character in the movie. It is the Olympic, not Titanic. Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking B. Ismay know this? 5. from a Sky TV show entitled "Conspiracies", presented byDanny Wallace. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch "iceberg" (or what Gardiner believes was an "IMM rescue ship") interrupted this original plan. The longer they were at sea, the more money it cost. - Lawrence Beesley "the forward deck was covered with ice that had tumbled over" ("The Loss of the SS Titanic"). it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. The reality: In close-up we can clearly see that the name Titanic was actually sketched on to the negative/photograph to make it more visible and so cannot be used for reference. 'The Olympic Room' everything else was added. 2. The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . "cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets." Actually it is quite simply medium grey primer that was used on all three Olympic class ships, including Titanic, There is not one occasion in which he - Coming from Belfast to Southampton. No, and for one very simple reason: it is a faux marble fireplace. shelved 11,906 times Showing 30 distinct works. Claim: White Star never had any intention of scuttling the ship. 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