That night Thomas met with Bill and Janet and she conirmed Bill's statement that he was at home at the time of the murder. Red flags everywhere, as far as the eye can see. "This was her speculation based on what she claimed she went through as a child. There's a reason people who don't really know the details of this case will 90% of the time say they think the parents are guilty of 'something'. Like us on Facebook at www.facebook.com/TheSunUS and follow us from our main Twitter account at @TheSunUS, BBC1's live FA Cup coverage hit by porn noises from mobile hidden by prankster, Three major energy suppliers paying you to turn off appliances tonight, Major bar chain to close on Mondays and Tuesdays due to rocketing energy bills, Gran's tribute to girl, 4, & mum killed after being hit by racing Audi', News Group Newspapers Limited in England No. Can I ask you Ivy, did you live through the whole JonBenet murder saga as an adult while it was unfolding? Santa Claus, A.K.A Bill McReynolds recruited a younger male to kill JonBenet and film it or take pictures for him. Someone is out there!". In August 2006, a 41 year old elementary school teacher falsely confessed to the murder of JonBenet but investigations proved him to have no connection with the case. The 26-year-old committed suicide two days after a 1997 press conference where the Boulder DA announced that they were looking at a new suspect. I've asked my wife to mix the star dust JonBent gave me with my ashes. They know someone outside the family has murdered their daughter, but they know no one will believe they're all innocent, so in order to protect Burke and themselves they call the police and report the kidnapping in the hopes that if they play along, the real killer will be caught eventually. It was unusually long and there were no fingerprints found on it except for Patsys and the authorities who handled it. Two years later, Janet McReynolds wrote a book that became a play in which a girl is sexually assaulted and tortured in a basement. A little boy who was a special friend had been murdered several years previously (Thomas). By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The only play the public has been made aware of was Hey Rube which was based on the true story of Sylvia Likens, a young girl who was held captive in an Indiana basement in 1965. I was in my final semester in college at the time and my professor the head of the criminal justice department was absolutely sure the Ramsey did it. I believe the killer was someone McReynolds knew and was possibly a relative of his. ).Alibi- home in bed, Known to be a film critic and movie reviewer for many years and wrote plays as well. And another creepy coincidence that He died unexpectedly in 2002, after being cleared of all suspicion. He went through the Ramsey's mail and saw Johns pay-stubs. There's no doubt about it.". His best chance was to work with us, so he became a picture of cooperation. Yet, when the case was reopened in 2009, the intruder theory was brought once again as a possible option. Almost 20 years after the 6-year-old child beauty queen was found brutally murdered in the basement of her family's home, it seems like almost everyone has a theory as to who did it or what happened. The case has fascinated the nation for the past 20 years, but it remains unsolved. The only play the public has been made aware of was Hey Rube which was based on the true story ofSylvia Likens, a young girl who was held captive in an Indiana basement in 1965. So you think McReynolds is the gatekeeper? I was amazed. Unless Burke had a behavior disorder, why would they even think that anyone would consider him a suspect? The idea that a parents first thought upon finding their child murdered is to start a coverup out of pure survival instinct is fantastical. We needed to look back at the family, the people who were in the home that night to determine what motive, what opportunity, what could have caused this situation to occur and eventually be reported to police on the morning of December 26, he said. They wouldnt have any reason to think the situation looked particularly bad for them. DeMuth confronted Santa Bill, convinced that the cord being used to lash down a tarpaulin was like the cord used in the murder garrote. I was in my early twenties when this all unfolded. ", The daughter: On December 26, 1974, twenty-two years before JonBent was reported kidnapped on December 26, 1996, the nine-year-old daughter of Janet McReynolds, the wife of Bill McReynolds, was kidnapped. Part of Karrs twisted confession involved diary entries written about crime in which Karr describes strangling JonBent as a love game gone wrong. Janet McReynolds said in the same interview that her 1970s play sounded "quaint" in light of the Ramsey murder and only made her family more empathetic to the Ramseys' loss. Was Jesse ever looked at as a serious suspect? This was in Kolar's book. I was in my 20s when she was murdered and am strongly IDI. Apart from it, how come the killer left no traces behind? Her murder was harder on me than my operation. View our online Press Pack. How about Jesse though? (BPD Report #1-568. Steve Thomas and Ron Gosage interviewed Bill McReynolds early in February of 1997 - - on the same day he was called back for a second interview - - at that time he did give non-testimonial evidence. JonBent Patricia Ramsey was a six-year-old beauty pageant contestant who was brutally murdered (and possibly raped) in her home, on the night of 25 to 26 December 1996. The victim in the story later dies in a hospital. My thoughts on The Amy Attack, The "Trinity" assault, the Ramsey experts and insane overconfidence, Pop Mystic - Search TV Show and Movie Scripts. Because for years that's been what most people have heard. Two years later, Janet McReynolds wrote a book that became a play in which a girl is sexually assaulted and tortured in a basement. On the very same day in 1974 - Boxing Day - McReynolds's nine-year-old daughter had been abducted with a friend, and had witnessed the sexual molestation of her friend. JBR doesn't know the guy so it's not like there is some risk. Multiple attempts to reach out to Janet McReynolds for comment on the play and CBS docu-series were unsuccessful. They made no attempt to use their multi-million dollar fortune to "catch the real killer." Her case remains unsolved. The killer lay in weight until the Ramsey's came home. She said yes!!! All because they thought Burke might be arrested for eating pineapple with JonBenet? The longer he stayed in the house and the more things he touched, the more danger he would be in. Nearly $20K LESS than John's Christmas bonus. She calls the police and a missing child investigation begins. When I die, I'm going to be cremated. I did. I wish McReynolds had been made to explain why he lied to Patsy. When I die, I'm going to be cremated. Both children were then released. Letting them go was a big mistake, as they soon layered up and did not get to formally interview them again until May of 1997, five months after their daughter was murdered., The case was then passed to the DAs office in 2002 after the Ramseys said they had no confidence in the police.. 2023 BDG Media, Inc. All rights reserved. Well that's not surprising since anyone around back then would have been exposed to a massive amount "RDI" media spin. I wish we would have done a better job of securing and controlling the crime scene on day one, said Beckner. I've asked my wife to mix the star dust JonBent gave me with my ashes. Hired by Marilyn Haus to play Santa at the mall. 2023 BDG Media, Inc. All rights reserved. She had dressed up as Mrs. Claus at the Christmas party and way back in 1976, Janet McReynolds wrote a play about a young girl who was abducted, molested, and found dead in a basement. What were they planning to do with the body? Why not just take some photos of her and be gone. McReynolds explained to theDaily Camera that it was "a fictionalized account of the 1965 torture and murder of Sylvia Likens in Indiana" and had nothing to do with JonBent. John had a very cold, often contemptuous gleam in his eyes when he occasionally glanced at his drugged-up wife slurring her words. For further details of our complaints policy and to make a complaint please click this link: thesun.co.uk/editorial-complaints/, JonBent Ramsey was strangled to death twenty-five years ago and her killer has never been brought to justice, John and Patsy Ramsey were prime suspects for years but were later exonerated when DNA testing had cleared them of any involvement, Investigators could not prove whether or not Patsy wrote the ransom note but she was later cleared by a federal court, Gary Oliva, a sex offender, was found with magazine photos of JonBent in his backpack when police arrested him on drug charges, John Mark Karr falsely confessed to killing JonBent in a 'love game' gone wrong but DNA had cleared him, Many people believe that an intruder killed JonBent but it has never been proven by police, Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO). (BPD Report # 1-645. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. I believe the killer was someone McReynolds knew and was possibly a Here are just a few of the stranger ones. Bill McReynolds dressed as Father Christmas to attend a party just days before the little girl was found murdered on Boxing Day 1996. I can make some of the smaller type out but it would be nice to read it all properly. What parents would engage in this sick game out of irrational desire to protect their innocent child? It was his wife. He takes pictures of her dying and possibly records it. The outlet reported that on Dec. 26, There's no doubt about it. on July 8, 2020, Longmont Police Department records on the December 26, 1974 kidnapping of Jill McReynolds (daughter of JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect "Santa" Bill McReynolds) and her friend by an unidentified pedophile, There are no reviews yet. (SMF P 283; PSMF P 283.)" Helgoth was tied to The amount demanded was identical to Johns Christmas bonus the year before, which suggested that whoever had that information might have been involved in the crime. * Bill McReynolds daughter Jill, was kidnapped on December 26, 1974 with a friend. Just want to post this publicly on record in case the new DNA testing that's being done proves me right. He was just so devastated by the mere idea anyone would suspect him of a crime," she said, according to Bill's obituary in The Daily Camera. Where is this info coming from? JonBent Ramsey was 6 years old when she was murdered in her Boulder, CO home on Christmas night 1996. The McReynolds said at the time that the coincidences between their daughter's abduction, the play, and JonBent's death were all just coincidence. Following the success of shows recounting murder cases and trials like, The People v. O.J Simpson, and Making A Murderer, both CBS and Lifetime are bringing JonBent's story to TV this year. sometime this fall. He was arrested on drug charges but was soon released. And apparently it starts out nice and then it gets up into this you left Santa Claus and, you know, went to all those fancy things and you came back to Santa Claus. And Burke. You could arguably do this whole thing again if JBR doesn't say anything. There have been over 140 suspects since the police began their investigation. Janets daughter and a friend were taken to an unknown location, where Janets daughter was forced to watch her friend being sexually molested. There were other similarities about McReynolds' play and the Ramsey murder that spiked investigators' interest. JonBenet is not in her room. In a very special episode of Listen Carefully, Sam and Lindsey welcome their first guest, Jill McReynolds, daughter of suspect Bill McReynolds. She made a profound change in me. Thus the kidnapping charge. They didn't follow procedure with the nail clippers. We have a tape from him . . it was a tribute to JonBenet or something like that. CBS did not work on the filming of Bill McReynolds. Police collect DNA samples from Bill McReynolds Bill McReynolds dressed up as Santa Claus at the Ramseys' Christmas party on December 23. Another was Michael Helgoth, an electrician who worked at a nearby auto salvage yard. McReynolds planned the murder in advance and he told JonBenet that Santa would visit her after Christmas to get her to go downstairs that night and wait for him. He played Santa at the Ramseys in 94, 95 and 96. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. . very weird. (Thomas), McReynolds said what was truly terrible was that this wasnt the first child to die during his Santa years. A book by Kate Millett, The Basement, details the murder. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The Craziest Theories in the JonBent Ramsey Case, Know a Pisces? A window in the basement was broken and an unidentified footprint was found at the scene. Former CU professor Bill McReynolds died of a heart attack. Barry Williams/Getty Images News/Getty Images, Janet McReynolds wrote a play about a young girl, sexual assault was a factor in the murder. I know the BPD claims the family gave them blood samples but, were they tested? He grew his long natural white beard when cast as a tavern owner in the play, "Les Miserables" for Unity of Boulder Church. He got it wrong. According to Ollie Gray, a private investigator hired by the Ramseys, "Helgothand his accomplices committed the crime. The correspondence took a disturbing turn, with Karr talking about his sexual fascination with JonBent. According to CNN, an original prosecutor on the Ramsey case claimed that Bill had given JonBent a card with the message: "You will receive a special gift after Christmas." Another was Michael Helgoth, an electrician who worked at a nearby auto salvage yard. There was some talk of him doing a new series of segments called "An American Moment" edit: but he did not sign with CBS to do this series until 1997( there is a book by that name published posthumously). And they didn't just lie that morning. His wife, Janet McReynolds, was also reportedly present at the party. The South Carolina native got engaged over the weekend to Kendall McReynolds, daughter of two-time Daytona 500 winning-crew chief and NASCAR on FOX analyst Larry JonBent's mother, Patsy, called police initially believing that her daughter was missing after a ransom note was found on the staircase. Think he was old and not a well man .Dont think he did it. Heres some additional information: Retired CU Journalism Professor 1968-1992. Bill McReynolds visited the house two days before JonBenets murder. "I will never forget we were walking toward his house and he said, 'I wonder what it would be like to crack a human skull.' McReynolds "had written a card to JonBenet that was found in her trash can after the murder. This seems really strange and There have been over 140 suspects since the police began their investigation. I was thinking Bill may have wanted to have a party at JBs house in order to unlock her balcony door. Bill McReynolds died in 2002 from a heart attack, but the rest of the McReynolds family has shied away from the spotlight since then. The Guardian reported that McReynolds had allegedly given JonBent a Christmas card which reportedly stated that the 6-year-old would be receiving a "special present" after Christmas. Have you read The Greenland Theory? "Alibi- home in bed, On December 26, 1974, twenty-two years before JonBent was reported kidnapped on December 26, 1996, the nine-year-old daughter of Janet McReynolds, the wife of Bill McReynolds, was kidnapped. He didnt remember, it was so long ago, about twenty-five years. (Steve Thomas in reference to Bill), Jessie McReynolds (the son): He had done two and a half years in an Arizona prison for conspiracy, aggravated robbery and kidnapping and had no corroborated alibi for Christmas night 1996. It feels like you came up with a narrative first and then tried to adjust it to some of the evidence. They thought his standing up to DeMuth proved that the elderly man was not weak and frail after all, just as John Ramsey had said. When you do though, the intruder theory makes the most sense and has the better scientific evidence. The outlet also reported that Janet had penned a play with a few eery similarities to the case the plot revolved around a girl who was molested and murdered in her basement. We Got You. By itself, it's not a crime. In his book Presumed Guilty: An Investigation Into the JonBent Ramsey Case, the Media, and the Culture of Pornography, journalist Stephen Singular argues that the police were so focused on pinning the murder to the Ramseysthat they neglected to consider the possibility that JonBent was abducted for child pornography. She made a profound change in me. The Best Valentines Day TV Episodes For Kids, Chrissy Teigen & John Legend Have Welcomed Their New Baby, Prince Harry Says Hes Worried One Of Prince Williams Kids Will End Up As The Spare, By subscribing to this BDG newsletter, you agree to our. (BPD Report #1-1149. Kolar scoured through lab and police reports, witness statements and other information when he took over the case. Hair and handwriting samples were collected by police from both of them at that time, according to an Associated Press report. Keep in mind that just after JonBent's death, there were rumors that sexual assault was a factor in the murder, but those claims are under dispute in light of recent interviews like A&E's The Killing of JonBent: The Truth Uncovered, which aired on Labor Day weekend. Thankful that God blessed me with such an amazing woman in my life that not only loves the Lord, but challenges me to be a better man. Because almost none of it is supported by anything - there is nothing to imply that McReynolds was interested in snuff movies, could have hired a killer, that the killer recorded anything, etc. Karr eventually came out as a transgender woman in 2010. It wasnt until 2008 when the Boulder County District Attorneys office ruled that the Ramseys were no longer considered suspects thanks to newly developed DNA sampling and testing techniques. One of America's most famous unsolved cases is undoubtedly the murder of JonBent Ramsey in Boulder, Colorado and CBS has opened its own investigation with the two-part special The Case Of: JonBent Ramsey. Her murder was harder on me than my operation. Supposedly Bill was but Im a little more curious if Jesse ever was. Why not take JBR from the home and to a secluded place where they could do a lot more than just take a few pictures. DNA has since cleared Helgoth of any involvement. Dec 26, 1996. Uploaded by To this day, questions around the note still arise. Was their DNA tested? It was later revealed that the note was written on stationery found in the familys home. Why? He's quoted as saying: It seems likely that McReynolds was questioned because, like many others, he had been in the Ramsey home and interacted with JonBent in the days leading up to her death. on the Internet. I am not accusing anyone in particular, just pointing out the multiple bizarre similarities and things that give me pause. See Page 1. Karr had reached out to University of Colorado Boulder professor, Michael Tracey through email. Lengthy interview? The amount demanded was identical to Johns Christmas bonus the year before, which suggested that whoever had that information might have been involved in the crime. Why write a ransom note? One of the major twists in the investigation of the murder of JonBent Ramsey is that detectives interviewed Bill McReynolds, a friend of the family, because he had played Santa Claus at a Ramsey Christmas celebration two days before the 6-year-old's body was found. Lifetime will present a TV movie called Who Killed JonBent? For years, JonBent's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey were blamed for possibly having some involvement in their daughters murder. But they also know that he couldn't have written the note and they know that neither one of them wrote it or did anything wrong because they were together the entire time. People would have and did believe they were innocent, though. We're going to go up behind the cabin here and have it blow away in the wind." ), Janets daughter and a friend were taken to an unknown location, where Janets daughter was forced to watch her friend being sexually molested. What about chronic sexual abuse of JonBenet? Ramsey Home Walkthrough - 3D Computer Model. Since it was Christmas, the department was short-staffed and was not prepared for the scene they were faced with at the Ramsey House. Promise. Too convoluted. Heres How to Shop for Them. If they were so anxious about it anyway, why not just remove the pineapple and avoid saying that Burke had a snack with her & getting the police to actually look for their daughter's killer? They realize that someone is playing a sick game with them. Hey u/Comicalacimoc, I just posted a podcast interview with Jill McReynolds, but I thought I should put it here too, https://rss.com/podcasts/listencarefully/142330/. Ready for our forever and always. It's certainly a mysterious, and heart-breaking case that has long raised many questions about the young girl's death. We're going to go up behind the cabin here and have it blow away in the wind." JonBent Ramsey was 6 years old when she was murdered in her Boulder, CO home on Christmas night 1996. We have a tape from him . . it was a tribute to JonBenet or something like that. In early 1990s the Ramseys spent $700,000 just to build the third story master suite onto their mansion! Mattie Moore McReynolds Knoxville - Mattie Moore McReynolds, age 103, long time resident of the Bluegrass Community, passed away October 18, 2021. (Bill McReynolds), He visited adult book stores and admitted to having a long-withstanding admiration for porn. Since it was Christmas, the department was short-staffed and was not prepared for the scene they were faced with at the Ramsey House. Those speculated to be involved range from Santa Claus to Katy Perry. The McReynolds supposedly refused a search of their house and the police never pursued a search warrant. So in this theory, did John lie about the chairs in the basement, or did the killer magically slip out among all the family and LE there? If I try to consider an outsider, it would be one of the housekeepers or nannies who had some shady family members. You have her pad and a wrote it with her pen and can match her handwriting. His wife, Janet McReynolds, eventually gave Gosage the cord, and Ron knew instantly that it wasnt the same type used by the killer of JonBent. McReynoldss own daughter had been kidnapped 22 years before. Barry Williams/Getty Images News/Getty Images, will air a six-hour, three-part documentary. He wrote me a letter saying that he carved JonBenet's name in a harp, it had the name of three other little girls that died early. I don't recall even seeing a photo of one that was actually put up in public in Colorado. Both children were then released. (BPD Report #1-568. Gary Oliva was a known sex offender in Colorado when JonBent was murdered. OK. Whatever we wanted, he gave, and Jesses handwriting eliminated him as the author of the ransom note. His best chance was to work with us, so he became a picture of cooperation. (Thomas), DeMuth was on the trail of Bill McReynolds, even using undercover cops to tail him. In A Mother Gone Bad: The Hidden Confession of JonBent's Killer, psychologist Andrew G. Hodgesargues that one possibility in the murder is that Patsy Ramsey caught her husband molesting JonBenet, and hit her in a fit of rage. He was arrested on drug charges but was soon released. Gosage was met by an irate Jesse McReynolds, who said he was sick of you guys trying to frame my dad. Bill McReynolds, distraught, weeping, and saying, I didnt do anything, refused to come to the door. Ramsey Home Walkthrough - 3D Computer Model. Need Bday Wish Inspo for Your Brother? Olivas high school friend, Michael Vail claimed that Oliva had call him on the phone to confess that he had hurt a little girl. Former Kidnapping charge was a botched $113 gas station robbery in Arizona, where he forced clerk to move from Point A to Point B, thus the kidnapping charge, He had come home from the Christmas party at his parents home, had a drink of scotch, swallowed some powerful prescription drugs he took for depression, and gone to bed alone, not awakening until late the next morning. I hurt a little girl.. However, physical evidence suggested that those details were part of a set-up. She discusses her father's legacy of goodness while talking about how the JonBenet A. James Kolar, who led the case investigation for the Boulder DAs office for nine months, believes its unlikely the girl was killed by an intruder. They went to a war: they kept lying, twisting facts, throwing friends into the fire, and obstructing justice for decades now. Not only was Helgoth seen wearing shoes similar to those ina footprint found in the Ramseys'basement, but one of Helgoth's former coworkers also claimed that he'd been acting incredibly suspiciously around the time of the murder. He kept saying it was only a matter of time before they are arrested. But it wasn't just Santa that investigators were interested in. Because they were bombarded by a RDI media circus and it made them biased against the parents innocence before they even knew the basic facts of the case. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. His wife once wrote a play about a child being molested and murdered in a basement. Wait, I meant, this is complete bullshit. I don't know anyone who did who believes the "Intruder" theory. Why murder her? They make a beautiful couple! JonBent Ramsey's 1996 murder case remains unsolved. She discusses her father's legacy of goodness while talking about how the JonBenet case affected her family and her father's well being. Romper attempted to reach out to original representatives for the McReynolds, but was unsuccessful. It was unusually long and there were no fingerprints found on it except for Patsys and the authorities who handled it. At the time of Bill's death, the couple resided in Cape Cod they reportedly left Boulder in 1998 in order to seek a new beginning, far from where the tragic murder occurred. The note read that if the Ramseys had contacted the police, or told anyone of JonBents disappearance, she would be murdered. According to a CNN report in 2006, Trip DeMuth, an original prosecutor on the case, said that McReynolds' alleged Christmas card to JonBent was particularly concerning: The McReynolds were reportedly cleared of charges after submitting DNA samples, CNN reported. CBS will air a six-hour, three-part documentary series called The Case of: JonBent Ramsey in September, The New York Times reported. An Associated Press report from March 1997 stated that McReynolds and his wife, Janet, were initially questioned less than six weeks after the murder. Many of the similarities between the Ramsey case and McReynolds' play come from these allegations of sexual molestation. Bill and Janet McReynolds say the only significance of their daughter's abduction to the Ramsey case, regardless of the dates, is that it underscores the compassion they feel for John and Patsy Ramsey. A. James Kolar, who led the case investigation for the Boulder DAs office for nine months, believes its unlikely the girl was killed by an intruder. According to The Daily Camera, the McReynolds' middle daughter, 9-years-old at the time, was abducted on December 26, 1974, and witnessed the sexual molestation of her friend. No suspects were ever found in the case, but both children were found. Helgoth was found dead shortly after JonBent's murder, and his death was ruled a suicide. McReynoldss own daughter had been kidnapped 22 years before. They tell him to go back to bed and agree to deny he was ever up. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. JonBenet is alone when the killer emerges from his hiding place and strikes her with a heavy object (likely the flashlight) He takes her down to the basement where he ducktapes her mouth, sexually assaults her and strangles her with the garrote, snuff movie style. ), Janets daughter and a friend were taken to an unknown location, where Janets daughter was forced to watch her friend being sexually molested. This seems really strange and coincidental. September 5, 2002. A federal court ruled that it was unlikely that Patsy wrote the note and cited six certified handwriting experts. The victim in the story later dies in a hospital. 2023 BDG Media, Inc. All rights reserved. Helgoth was tied to -Why, when the money was just sitting in the bank anyway?? He knew they were at the party and he knew how to get into the Ramsey's home because McReynolds told him. Burke doesn't really believe in Santa and thinks this whole thing is dumb, so he goes back to bed. Search the history of over 778 billion And while living in Nederland, near Boulder, he had some other scrapes with the law. JOHN RAMSEY: . We have some letters from him. However, Olivas DNA was cleared for the murder but was later arrested for possessing child pornography. In a very special episode of Listen Carefully, Sam and Lindsey welcome their first guest, Jill McReynolds, daughter of suspect Bill McReynolds. The day after Christmas in 1996, the body of 6-year-old beauty pageant queen JonBent Ramsey was found in the basement of her parents Boulder, Colorado home. JonBent was a 6-year-old beauty queen who was found dead in her family's home in Boulder, Colorado in December of 1996. Their daughter's ordeal "makes you sensitive to the horror" of JonBenet's murder, Janet McReynolds said. (Thomas), Jesse McReynolds, now thirty-eight, had botched a $ 113 gas station robbery in Arizona during which he forced the clerk to move from Point A to Point B. Other connections between McReynolds and the Ramsey family have apparently been a cause for concern for investigators. McReynolds daughter was kidnapped 22 years before which caused more suspicions towards him. OK. Whatever we wanted, he gave, and Jesses handwriting eliminated him as the author of the ransom note. (BPD Reports #1-1874, #26-144, #1-41, #1-162, #1-204, #1-304, #1-2622, #5-297, #5-371, #5-2202) Could that Secret Santa have been the killer and someone JonBent knew? He didnt remember, it was so long ago, about twenty-five years. However, Olivas DNA was cleared for the murder but was later arrested for possessing child pornography. She wakes Burke up and the two go downstairs together where they eat pineapple. She was abused, tortured, and finally killed. I've asked my wife to mix the star dust JonBent gave me with my ashes. It wasnt until 2008 when the Boulder County District Attorneys office ruled that the Ramseys were no longer considered suspects thanks to newly developed DNA sampling and testing techniques. In a very special episode of Listen Carefully, Sam and Lindsey welcome their first guest, Jill McReynolds, daughter of suspect Bill McReynolds. Karrs confession made international headlines but he was later dismissed as a pedophile who was after fame. ), Janet McReynolds- wife, mother: Known to be a film critic and movie reviewer for many years and wrote plays as well. John Mark Karr confessed to murdering JonBent in 2006. In 1977, Janet gave a local paper an interview and said "I've always been interested in the way victims frequentlyseem to seek their own death, or to deliberately choose their own murderer. Family and friends were of the Ramseys were also allowed in and out of the house before the initial investigation was completed. Similarities between the Moscow student murders and the Press J to jump to the feed. Tracey reported Karr to the police who arrested him in Bangkok. She was a member of First Baptist Bluegrass. Charles Kuralt's program or segment that Bill promised would be filming his Santa romps was with CBS TV. Why would the killer care if Patsy found the note before the body. Family and friends were of the Ramseys were also allowed in and out of the house before the initial investigation was completed. Even more suspicious, McReynolds's middle daughter and her friend had been abducted 22 years prior to JonBent's death to the day. And if there were other reasons for them to worry about it, then it's far more logical to think that Burke indeed killed JonBenet. As far as I can find (so far), nobody knows where that footage is, Also, the police reports regarding this attack can be found here. Would love to hear others thoughts.. Bill McReynolds: Retired CU Journalism Professor 1968-1992. Because of their proximity to the family, the couple was questioned in February of 1997 after returning from a vacation in Spain. How closely was Bill investigated? Jon Benet had bits of the Ramsey's own sparkly stairway Christmas garland in her hair. Why not write a confession letter by Patsy and mail it to the police. Why not? The Ramseys finally went on CNN or some news show with a small poster offering a $100,000 Reward if JonBenet's killer was caught. A window in the basement was broken and an unidentified footprint was found at the scene. JonBenet remembering that Santa is suppose to visit her wakes up sometime after midnight. Besides her parents, suspicion has been cast on the child sex offender Gary Oliva, the housekeeper Linda Hoffman, an electrician named Michael Helgoth and even the town Santa Bill McReynolds. The murder of JonBent Ramsey remains one of the most peculiar and heartbreaking unsolved mysteries of modern times and the flurry of TV projects and documentaries coming out this month speaks to the world's enduring fascination with what happened the night of Dec. 26, 2006. Then there is the statement from the mother of a friend of JonBents. They then staged the kidnapping and murder scene together to cover the whole thing up. We also should have separated John and Patsy and gotten full statements from them that day. I lived through the he saga as an adult and I know several people that believe the Intruder theory. Other suspects included neighbor Bill McReynolds, a local Santa Claus who visited the Ramseys a few days before the girls death. We also should have separated John and Patsy and gotten full statements from them that day. The world also blames the Ramsey's for the murder, Santa Bill has been cleared so many time and youre still dragging his name through the mud. The 26-year-old committed suicide two days after a 1997 press conference where the Boulder DA announced that they were looking at a new suspect. Any additional thoughts or insight would be appreciated. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The Boulder Police Department was hit with a lot of criticism due to their handling of the investigation. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I felt very close to that little girl. We're going to go up behind the cabin here and have it blow away in the wind." We are here to discuss all aspects of the case and remember JonBent Patricia Ramsey. Olivas high school friend, Michael Vail claimed that Oliva had call him on the phone to confess that he had hurt a little girl. John and Patricia Ramsey discussing information of their daughters death during a press conference Bill McReynolds suspect in JonBenet murder case. The day after Christmas in 1996, the body of 6-year-old beauty pageant queen JonBent Ramsey was found in the basement of her parents Boulder, Colorado home. There are an unusual amount of coincidences surrounding the McReynolds family that I find difficult to turn a blind eye to. They parked at a gas station down the road and sent my old partner, Detective Ron Gosage, up to talk because he was the only one with whom McReynolds would speak. We are here to discuss all aspects of the case and remember JonBent Patricia Ramsey. Gosage took it back down the hill to the gas station and handed it to the technician from the CBI. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. (It's also speculated that Patsy lashed out after finding that JonBenet had wet the bed.) You are putting a lot of stock in what may be a throw away line by a 6 year old. web pages Longmont Police Department records on the December 26, 1974 kidnapping of Jill McReynolds (daughter of JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect "Santa" Bill McReynolds) and Trip DeMuth stood at the gas station with his arms crossed, watching them drive away. (Thomas). He told the Denver Post that when he first met JonBent in 1995 he was struck by her smile, her "pensive, almost retiring" demeanor, and her angelic glow. pic.twitter.com/rspR8gVAdg, Jordan Anderson (@j66anderson) January 18, 2021, Linda Mac and I are so proud of the man that our @mkmcreynolds1 will be spending the rest of her life with! The Boulder Police Department was hit with a lot of criticism due to their handling of the investigation. Why not bring it with him? McReynoldss own daughter had been kidnapped 22 years before. The woman said that on Christmas Eve day in 1996, JonBent said Santa had told her he was going to make a secret visit to her after Christmas. He was recovering from heart surgery and needed his wife to help so he could even do the Santa gig. I'm wondering if those fragments could be the same glitter that Crying Santa Bill wanted mixed with his ashes upon his death. McReynolds is questioned and ruled out, he didn't commit the actual killing so his DNA is not a match. She won 5 major contests before her tragic murder at the age of 6. The McReynolds vehemently denied any involvement in JonBent's murder and Janet stated that the couple felt "sensitive to the horror" due to what had happened to their own child. No suspects were ever found in the case, but both children were found. "Statements like that led me to have some sort of suspicion: What was going on between Santa Bill and JonBent? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He had been living in the area on and off and when police allegedly found a magazine with pictures of the girl in his backpack. There's no evidence for it whatsoever, Burke Ramsey "has been cleared so many time and youre still dragging his name through the mud. On what grounds did Steve Thomas and the BPD dismiss them? Why did he want in the Ramsey house? Gary Oliva was a known sex offender in Colorado when JonBent was murdered. Both children were then released. Larry McReynolds, who is a NASCAR on FOX analyst and a two-time Daytona 500 winning- crew chief, congratulated his daughter and to-be son-in-law on this occasion. Linda Mac and I are so proud of the man that our @mkmcreynolds1 will be spending the rest of her life with! Perhaps the oddest conspiracy theory out there is thatnot only is JonBent still alive, but she's also secretly pop superstar Katy Perry. I don't know anyone who did who believes the "Intruder" theory. It was later revealed that the note was written on stationery found in the familys home. So how could there be dna from this accomplice? Burke tells his parents he went downstairs with JonBenet and they realize he is the last one to see her. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Even more harrowing, Inside Edition reports that when Oliva was previously arrested in 2000, he was allegedly carrying a photograph of the child beauty queen with him, along with a copy of a poem he'd written called, "Ode to JonBent. It is ridiculous! I think a lot of us that lived through it were once upon a time RDI. Kolar scoured through lab and police reports, witness statements and other information when he took over the case. The same former coworker also claimed that someone close to Helgoth had a tape recording of him confessing to the murder, but policenever investigated it. Patsy Ramsey places a 911 call to the Boulder Police Department explaining that her daughter, JonBenet, is not in her room and that a ransom note was left behind. I actually tend to believe its the other way around. They were never charged as suspects in the murder. Stop it already, Yes. 9 yo kids kill, but it doesn't happen often enough for the Ramseys to think that Burke would be blamed. A minuscule amount of mixed DNA (from different locations and multiple foreign sources) doesn't prove much - unless someone cleaned up afterward, there should have been much more evidence from a single profile left. He was very strange, in the way that when he went into heart surgery he brought a vile of glitter JonBenet had given to him when he played Santa Clause. Blood sample? It's really blurry even when it's enlarged. (SMF P 283; PSMF P 283.)" I'm sure there are some exceptions, but from what I've seen most IDI people actually started out RDI. John and other family members were cleared of suspicion through a handwriting test, but police couldnt conclusively determine if Patsy wrote the letter. The killer resembled JonBenet's brother John Andrew. Your theory is a very specific and detailed scenario - most of it isn't supported by evidence. This would explain why a neighbor thought they saw John Andrew approach the house the evening of the murder. Another eerie When did that happen? Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. . very weird. I thought the DNA was unrelated to the murders tho? The 2 1/2-page letter demanded that John withdraw $118,000 and wait for further instructions. Yet, when the case was reopened in 2009, the intruder theory was brought once again as a possible option. John and other family members were cleared of suspicion through a handwriting test, but police couldnt conclusively determine if Patsy wrote the letter. To perhaps no one's surprise, this has been debunked multiple times, and prior to Katy Perry, the theory was that JonBent was actually Lady Gaga. An ex-con knows whats going on in an interrogation room with two detectives, and Jesse McReynolds knew he looked good to Gosage and me as a suspect in the Ramsey case. According to a 1999 New York Post article, McReynolds was a retired journalism professor and a close friend of the Ramseys. The police quickly decide John and/or Patsy killed JonBenet. Police chief Mark Beckner has also said that the crime scene wasnt properly sealed off after police arrived. Lacy was very suspicious of him and as far as I know he was eliminated to her satisfaction by DNA testing. I wish we would have done a better job of securing and controlling the crime scene on day one, said Beckner. "I didn't make the connection as much as I felt that this area should be investigated by the authorities because of the similarities between what I'd seen online [of child pornography] and the child's murder," he explained in .css-tjvzc4{-webkit-text-decoration:none;text-decoration:none;text-decoration-thickness:0.0625rem;text-decoration-color:inherit;text-underline-offset:0.25rem;color:inherit;-webkit-transition:all 0.3s ease-in-out;transition:all 0.3s ease-in-out;border-bottom:thin solid #6F6F6F;}.css-tjvzc4:hover{color:#595959;text-decoration-color:border-link-body-hover;}an interview with the Computer Crime Research Center. We are a true crime community dedicated to exploring case facts, evidence and theories surrounding the death of JonBent Ramsey. The South Carolina native got engaged over the weekend to Kendall McReynolds, daughter of two-time Daytona 500 winning-crew chief and NASCAR on FOX analyst Larry McReynolds. The Santa Claus figure in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case died over the weekend from a heart attack. JonBent's mother, Patsy, called police initially believing that her daughter was missing after a ransom note was found on the staircase. McReynolds also stated that JonBent had given him a vial of gold glitter at both the 1995 and 1996 Christmas parties. I believed IDI theory, but most people I knew did not. The Dynamic Duo of DeMuth and his new investigator, Dan Schuller, pulled the trigger when they saw McReynolds loading his pickup truck at a storage locker. If he didn't do it, then there is no evidence against him. Charles Kuralt retired from CBS in 1994. They filmed him on the 21st and 22nd of December and left before the party on the night of the 23rd. McReynolds won a Western States Art Foundation regional prize and a $7,500 grant from the National Endowment for the Arts, but it was never published and no copy has been released to the media since. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. Since they didn't, any DNA was mixed and contaminated. Here's an interesting exercise, one that might help bring Is it possible a parent would cover for their spouse Something Else About the Ransom Note Points to Ramsey Guilt, Press J to jump to the feed. Similarities between the Moscow student murders and the Press J to jump to the feed. He played Santa at the Ramseys in 94, 95 and 96. Heres How to Shop for Them, an interview with the Computer Crime Research Center, Gary Howard Oliva, was arrested last June, he was allegedly carrying a photograph of the child beauty queen. Stop it already". (Thomas), McReynolds said what was truly terrible was that this wasnt the first child to die during his Santa years. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Another was Michael Helgoth, an electrician who worked at a nearby auto salvage yard. No suspects were ever found in the case, but both children were found. )(Woodward), When his own daughter was ten years old, she and another girl were kidnapped, and the friend was molested before both girls were released. Hired by Marilyn Haus to play Santa at the mall. Two I thought it was a very odd thing to say.". Many sleuths believe that Helgoth had heard he was a suspect in the case, with a popular theory believing that it was his footprint at the crime scene. In early 1990s the Ramseys spent $700,000 just to build the third story master suite onto their mansion! You're right. When Bill died in 2002, The Daily Camera emphasized that police sources never considered he or Janet "serious" suspects. The real Killer doesn't know the Ramsey's personally so he is never questioned or identified. According to the Daily Camera, the woman provided authorities with a list of "specific names of individuals who [were] witnesses in the killing of JonBent as well as ongoing sexual and physical [abusers] of other children.". A little boy who was a special friend had been murdered several years previously (Thomas). ", Another popular suspect in the case was Michael Helgoth, whose family owned a junkyard on the outskirts of Boulder (the Ramsey family's then-hometown). Helgothand his accomplices committed the crime. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. 679215 Registered office: 1 London Bridge Street, London, SE1 9GF. Can I ask you Ivy, did you live through the whole JonBenet murder saga as an adult while it was unfolding? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Copyright 2023 NASCAR Digital Media, LLC. The case This one is definitely one of the more outlandish theories of the bunch, so you should take it with a grain of salt: At least one source reports that it's possible JonBent was attacked by some sort of wild animal, like an owl or a bear. The Ramseys refused to cooperate with police. CNN writes: Investigators were intrigued by the fact the McReynolds' daughter had been abducted 22 years before JonBenet's death to the day. He carried it to the hospital as a lucky charm during the surgery. Its also believed that because of the initial belief that the Ramseys had something to do with JonBents murder, other leads were neglected by authorities. Regardless, the dude is creepy! How do you explain all the points in the crime scene of Patsy's.. inside the paint tray, the sticky side of the duct tape, embedded into the ligature? No one was ever arrested for the crime. (Bill McReynolds), Good idea, I may take my ashes somewhere when I die too. However, it was revealed two weeks later that his DNA did not match the evidence found on JonBents clothing and he was released. Karr had been living in Thailand, avoiding child pornography charges in the US. Marionumber1 When I'm not writing, reading, or lost in the vortex that is the Internet, I can usually be found stuffing my face with food and obsessing over the nearest dog. I hurt a little girl.. He carried it to the hospital as a lucky charm during the surgery. An ex-con knows whats going on in an interrogation room with two detectives, and Jesse McReynolds knew he looked good to Gosage and me as a suspect in the Ramsey case. So who is Bill McReynolds? I felt very close to that little girl. Of course, that wouldn't explain how she ended up bound and strangled in her family's basement, and it certainly wouldn't explain the 2 1/2-page ransom note, but it's also not the first time that a murder has been blamed on an owl so who knows? Michael Helgoth was an early suspect who lived nearby the Ramsey house. Gosage took the good news back to the house, but Janet McReynolds told him, Stay out of our lives. The embarrassed cops got into their cars, and the official convoy slunk back down the mountain. The Ramsey familys private investigator, Ollie Gray blasted the Boulder Police Department for not considering Oliva a credible suspect. Tracey reported Karr to the police who arrested him in Bangkok. .. John reveals stranger stayed in daughters room Do you think JonBenet was in the wine cellar when Fleet JDI folks - where do we land on the ransom note? I find this hard to believe since they paid 500,000 in the 90s for the entire house. It said that she would receive a "special present" after Christmas, and the note was found in the trash at the Ramsey home during the initial investigation. 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